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I'm not up for the "Homes" yet, so in the interest of moving on, let's just do the next two:

- Resistance
- The Farm

In which we all agree that Boomer was a person, but Bill seems more concerned about firearm saftety. In which Sharon totally saves Starbuck's ass and and one of her ovaries, but still gets yelled at. And Laura's like, "Everybody, look! Over there! It's the gods!"

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marymary
Feb. 17th, 2007 09:59 pm (UTC)
Tigh’s interrogating Chief. He asks how long Chief knew Boomer was a Cylon. Then he accuses Chief of being a Cylon. These are very different things. As an interrogator, I always like to choose one story to beat out of someone at a time. I mean, today you can try to get Chief to say that he was a human colluding with the Cylons. Maybe, if that doesn’t work, tomorrow you can try to get him to admit that he’s a Cylon.

Chief: My father was a priest! My mother was an oracle!

I have to admit that I did not even remember these lines until I rewatched. This is interesting character stuff for Chief.
amycurl
Jun. 23rd, 2007 02:52 am (UTC)
I thought so, too....and it explains a lot about Chief, doesn't it? Explains his duck-tape-ness....this non-military background.
The practical, people-centered, counseling side of the priesthood and the prophetic, intellectual, mysterious, mystical side of an oracle. That must have been some household to grow up in. :-)
marymary
Feb. 17th, 2007 10:01 pm (UTC)
I have to apologize in advance to anyone who loves Cally. I’ll try to exercise some restraint.

First, she’s all up in Baltar’s face trying to get him to help Chief. Ok, I get how she has leverage over Baltar because she knows he killed Crash. She threatens to tell on him. But the attitude? Baltar saved Cally’s life by killing Crash! Hell yes, push her up against a bulkhead! It’s kind of interesting --- have we ever seen Baltar actually get physically aggressive with anyone before? I can’t think of an instance.

Ok, here’s my big question this ep. Why does Baltar use Chief to interrogate Boomer? First of all, why does he interrogate Boomer? He seemed to be operating alone, not on Tigh’s orders. He doesn’t like or support the military, much less Tigh. And I don’t think this is something that ChipSix would condone --- she’s out of the picture at this point. Second, nearly killing Chief to get this information puts him at risk from Cally. She just told him she’s squeal…why would he risk hurting Chief unless his own life was in danger? I’m obviously missing something.

Grace Park is so good in those scenes. I think we needed Chief to come around and sympathize with Boomer in the end. Cally kills Boomer, with a stupid, cowardly smile on her stupid face. (Oh, sorry...) Boomer’s last words are, “I love you, Chief.” And she dies in his arms. Now flash forward (if you can) to Season 3. How did Chief end up in the situation he’s in, given what happened to Boomer?

The episode ends on a drop of Boomer’s blood spattering on the floor. I think they are making a point there. It’s the first ep where anyone actually said the word “racist”. I think the blood was to show commonality, to say that Cylons are just another race.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2007 01:06 am (UTC)
She threatens to tell on him. But the attitude? Baltar saved Cally’s life by killing Crash!
Well, Cally's frantic. She sees that Tigh, literally drunk with power, is accusing the Chief of something that he has no way of proving or disproving, but the penalty is death anyway. Plus, she is a mechanic who signed up to pay for dental school, so she's neither worldly nor wise. If someone in this group is going to come up with such an ungrateful argument, one that's far more heat than light, it's Cally.

Ok, here’s my big question this ep. Why does Baltar use Chief to interrogate Boomer?
He's exploiting Boomer's affection for Chief to get information out of her. He's got Tigh leaning hard on him, and he's been threatened with a trip to the brig himself. So this is what he comes up with. And it worked.

Cally kills Boomer, with a stupid, cowardly smile on her stupid face.
She doesn't think Boomer should live if Chief is going to die, and she blames Boomer for everything that's happened. It's again more heat than light, but it makes sense, given Cally's naivete.

We're sympathetic to Boomer because we see that, in her mind-blown "I'm a Cylon?" state, it horrifies her to know that she was the one who did this to Bill. GP (as always) is terrific in this ep, especially at evoking sympathy from us. But to everybody else, she's the one who put two bullets in Bill's gut. Right before Cally shoots Boomer, everyone's jeering at Boomer, calling her "Bitch!" and "Traitor!" So almost everyone on Galactica feels the way Cally does. She just took action.

The episode ends on a drop of Boomer’s blood spattering on the floor. I think they are making a point there. It’s the first ep where anyone actually said the word “racist”. I think the blood was to show commonality, to say that Cylons are just another race.
Definitely. It's a bookend to the teaser, when a drop of Chief's blood hits the floor after Saul has worked him over.
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2007 04:37 am (UTC)
he's been threatened with a trip to the brig himself.

He's also been threatened with a charge of murder, which he did, in fact, commit. That's why I don't understand it. If he harms Chief, he's down for murder.

but it makes sense, given Cally's naivete.

I agree; it totally makes sense. That's why I don't like the character. She's consistently unlikeable. :)

She just took action.

Yeah, but there's a big difference between yelling stuff and killing someone.
amycurl
Jun. 23rd, 2007 03:03 am (UTC)
Yeah, but there's a big difference between yelling stuff and killing someone.


Yeah, but I think she had feelings for Chief, and so she kills someone who she probably didn't like all that much BEFORE she found out she was a Cylon.

I don't know if I dislike Cally as much as you seem to; she just seems to have so little personality as compared to the other women on the show. It's like she's overwhelmingly meh to me.
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2007 04:38 am (UTC)
I really like the scene with Helo and Kara in the woods, being ambushed by the resistance fighters. They’re just very hot. Kara hears a click and doesn’t move a hair. They go get their weapons without attracting fire. They’re also kinda cute and backstoryish:
Helo: “You go! I’ll cover!”
Kara: “Why me?!!”
Helo: “Don’t start.”
Kara: (grimaces in resignation, but he can’t see her face...)
Helo: “Go!”
She runs and he fires at the Cylons.

The point being that he knew she was about to cost them time, he knew how to shut her up, and then he knew that she had agreed with him and was going to run on his command. I just liked that. The whole thing took 10 seconds.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2007 04:44 am (UTC)
He's also been threatened with a charge of murder, which he did, in fact, commit. That's why I don't understand it. If he harms Chief, he's down for murder.
I think it was a calculated risk on Baltar's part. He found killing Crashdown so distasteful that (begin wank) I have to think he wouldn't have let Chief die. He expected that the Chief being apparently near death forced Boomer to respond. (end wank)

Yeah, but there's a big difference between yelling stuff and killing someone.
Well, of course there is. :-) I'm not saying it was right. I'm just saying that it fits the Cally character. Especially given that Jammer told her if she wants to be mad at somebody, to be mad at Boomer. Cally's not a deep thinker.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 18th, 2007 04:45 am (UTC)
Helo: “You go! I’ll cover!”
Kara: “Why me?!!”
Helo: “Don’t start.”

I really enjoyed the backstory-ishness of that moment, too. Although the unseen-by-Helo facial expression is a detail I missed. :-)
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2007 04:48 am (UTC)
I have to think he wouldn't have let Chief die.

Watching that scene, I had no doubt that Chief was about to die and Baltar had seconds to stop it.

I'm just saying that it fits the Cally character.

And that's what I'm saying. And yet...it always seems like you're arguing with me. :-)
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2007 05:02 am (UTC)
RECAPS
Ooh, I almost forgot I promised one of our friends that I'd post a little recap of each episode, for those who watched a while ago.

RESISTANCE:

Tigh interrogates Chief.
Helo and Sharon are ambushed by the human resistance fighters on Caprica.
Cally tries to blackmail Baltar into helping get Chief out of trouble.
Tigh is having trouble with the fleet, some of whom are refusing to resupply Galactica in support of the president.
A band of loyalists breaks Laura out of the brig and gets her off Galactica to Cloud Nine.
Bill recovers.
Cally kills Boomer.

THE FARM:

Laura and Lee are hiding. Laura sends a message to the fleet, asking them to jump to Kobol with her. 24 ships go with her when she jumps.
Cylons ambush Helo/Starbuck and the resistance and take Kara captive to the "hospital", where they're forcibly impregnating human women.
Kara breaks out, with the help of the resistance, Helo and Sharon.
marymary
Feb. 18th, 2007 05:38 pm (UTC)
heh, Tom, this is the part where we wait till someone else shows up.
misreall
Feb. 18th, 2007 10:10 pm (UTC)
In defense of Calley
Going on memory here, and the fact that I have liked her from the beginning.

It seemed clear to me, from the miniseries on that Calley has been in love with the Chief for a long time. In addition to that he has been her boss, her teacher, her mentor, and her friend. During the time that Boomer and the Chief were sneaking around together Cally was one of people who went out of her way to cover for them, and seemed happy for them, inspite of the fact that it was probably hurting her. But it was clear (or seemed so to me) that she liked and respected Boomer, so the Chief's happiness was good enough for her.
Which, frankly, is a stance I don't feel I would be mature or sophisticated enough to share.
Anyway, now, after all of that it turns out that Boomer is a Cylon, that she did shoot Adama,(even if we know she 'didn't' shoot Adama) and now the Chief is going to die because of her. From Calley's point of view, from what she has seen, Boomer is a machine who is responsible for many, many deaths, and the potential deaths of two good, brave men who Calley cares for personally.

As an outside observerer clearly Calley was in the wrong, and I am more than fond of G/Boomer, and am sorry she was dead. Good thing she got better.

On the other hand, if I were Calley I wouldn't have just shot her, I probably would have worn her head as a necklace.

marymary
Feb. 18th, 2007 11:31 pm (UTC)
Look, it's The King! :-)

Yeah, L, I do get why Cally is furious at Boomer. I don't expect her to understand and sympathize like we do. I expect Cally to hate Boomer's breathing guts. :-) But I have to ask myself why Bill's son or Bill's best friend didn't take it upon themselves to kill Boomer. I think some of the difference is that Cally has that added boost of jealousy coursing through her veins. And then part of it is personality/perspective differences. Cally's a member of the military too, but Tigh and Lee are officers and they naturally identify more strongly with protocol and the rule of law. They are also just more mature, more complex people. (Yes, even Saul.) So I think part of Cally's thing is that she's kind of simple --- like, in the sense that her emotions come out one color at a time. Which is how she can be yelling and threatening the man who commited murder to save her life (Baltar).

I'm really glad you weighed in on the other side, if only for the "necklace" line. (She's got a million of 'em, folks. :D )-
amycurl
Jun. 23rd, 2007 03:07 am (UTC)
I think some of the difference is that Cally has that added boost of jealousy coursing through her veins.
So you agree. :-) Glad it's not just me.
marymary
Feb. 19th, 2007 11:20 pm (UTC)
I liked this:
Gaeta: “Seven other ships are refusing to resupply Galactica. Food, medicine, coffee…”
Saul: “Coffee! This is getting ridiculous.”
It’s the coffee that makes him mad. Yeah, I’m fairly sure Saul NEEDS his coffee in the morning.

Saul: “Four civilians dead. How could this have happened?”
Cottle: “Wha’d you expect, genius? You put a pilot in charge of crowd control.”
Heh.

The Saul/Ellen scenes are so classic. He wants to explain to the ships’ captains why he declared marshall law. She says, “It feels kinda touchy feely.” And, “Bill may never get on his feet again.” Whoops, honey, button that up. Your craven ambition is showing.
Ellen: “This is your moment!”
Saul: “I do not want a command, don’t you get it?”
In the end, as Ellen berates Saul for not having the guts to kill Lee and the president, Bill walks in. Hee.
elinorigbe
Jul. 25th, 2008 07:55 pm (UTC)
I have to comment on the coffee. Starbuck is, I assume, based on, a shout-out to, the character from Moby Dick, the coffee-loving seaman who was in turn based by Melvillle on any one of the Nantucket Quaker whalers of the same name.

It is only nominally important that the coffee emporium chose the same character for their company name.

These intrepid whalers were the spacemen of their era, sailing off for years at a time in barely charted waters in search of, wait for it, oil for the lamps of New England. Whale oil was the fuel of that century, better than wood for lighting. They had to fight off pirates and unfriendly natives, and had to survive with what supplies they had or could find on their journey.

So I think the coffee reference is more than just Saul needing his coffee in the morning, although it is that as well. "Many layered," Thomas said, when he enticed me to watch. Was he ever right! Thanks, T.
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tomfoolery815
Feb. 19th, 2007 11:38 pm (UTC)
Saul: “Four civilians dead. How could this have happened?”
Cottle: “Wha’d you expect, genius? You put a pilot in charge of crowd control.”
Heh.

My favorite Cottle moment EVER. :-) You just know, in that moment, that he knows he's the one person in the fleet that Saul can't frak with. Even if he weren't the one keeping Bill alive, Cottle knows he is too valuable to the fleet, so he just lets it fly.

Whoops, honey, button that up. Your craven ambition is showing.
When Saul finally does what Ellen's been goading him to do -- get tough with the fleet about supplies -- he says "You happy now?" I'm pretty sure that taking action that affects thousands of lives just to get the person you're sleeping with off your case is the World's Worst Reason for Doing Something.

Which of course, goes horribly wrong, and leads us to my favorite Cottle moment EVER. :-)
marymary
Feb. 19th, 2007 11:51 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that taking action that affects thousands of lives just to get the person you're sleeping with off your case is the World's Worst Reason for Doing Something.

Yeah, and what I found shocking about that exchange was how quid pro quo it was. Like he says he's gonna use diplomacy, she stops touching him and calls him a chicken, he stands up, walks to the comm, and takes the hard line. I don't ever remember seeing that work with them in such an overt way. Like, "I did what you wanted, can we have sex now?"
tomfoolery815
Feb. 19th, 2007 11:56 pm (UTC)
Like, "I did what you wanted, can we have sex now?"
I know. Just ... yuck.

The creepy/freaky part? A few scenes later, it seems that sex and a show of force are, in fact, intertwined to some extent in the Saul/Ellen relationship. From the recap:

Ellen finishes her tirade, and Tigh drops his glass to the table, turns on her angrily, and grabs her by the shoulders. He grunts, "I warned you!" and shoves her back, and for a second I think he might kill her. Ellen slaps him. Tigh stares at her and then, well, kisses her. Ellen sort of bats at his head with her palms, and they both stumble back against a locker. Tigh lets her go long enough for her to gasp, "I love you, Saul," as he picks her up. Tigh says, "Shut up, Ellen," and carries her toward the bed.

Again ... yuck.
amycurl
Jun. 24th, 2007 12:06 pm (UTC)
Again ... yuck.
I know! Another in AmyCurl's 101 Million Reasons To Not Like Saul Tigh. :-P
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marymary
Feb. 21st, 2007 10:42 pm (UTC)
Trying to post as sloooowly as I can, waiting for watson...

In the ready room, the pilots (led by Hotdog) ask Lee when he’s coming back to their poker game. He explains that he’s still a guest of the Colonel (which they knew). But they insist that they can bring the game to him. I love this. Not only does it show which side the pilots (and probably lots of other people) are on, but they’re using the poker game as a way to tell him that they care and they support him. Sweet.

It’s interesting that later Hotdog is leading the CAP when Lee and Laura escape to Cloud Nine. Hotdog is the one ordered to fire a shot across Lee’s bow. Tigh nearly gives Hotdog the order to shoot down the raptor, with Lee in it.

The walk and talks with Dee and Lee are very cute. A bit transparent, but cute. She gives him info on the state of the fleet and says she wishes he were in command. Aw.

So here’s the “resistance” on Galactica:
Laura, Lee, Billy, Dee, Racetrack, Gaeta (he covers for Dee), Cottle, Venner and 2 marines. Am I missing anyone? It didn’t seem hard to get any one of these people on board. Sad that Billy didn’t go.

Oh, and Varek. He’s hard to hate, you know? He’s got kind of a worldly sense of humor. Or he's a huge jerk, I can never decide. He’s believeable as a politician and as an anarchist then he smiles and you genuinely like him. I think it’s the Ted Danson Effect. Where you cast a RL likeable person in an unsavory role, betting that the niceness will come through just enough to make the character more interesting and more complex. You can use a character like that to do anything you want, cause the audience believes him as a bad guy but is so ready to believe him as a good guy if you want them to. (Think about him when we first met him vs. in Season 3.)
watson1
Feb. 21st, 2007 11:14 pm (UTC)
I'm here, I'm here. Sorry about being negligent (I feel like I've been saying that way too often. :-() I'm working at home tomorrow, so I'll rewatch tommorrow and post tomorrow night.
marymary
Feb. 21st, 2007 11:45 pm (UTC)
No problem! You're allowed to be busy. (But I am happy to see you, :)
watson1
Feb. 23rd, 2007 12:41 am (UTC)
I'm here, I'm here, and this time I'm going to post. Yay for me -- I'm happy to be back. :-)

I think the blood was to show commonality, to say that Cylons are just another race.

It's a bookend to the teaser, when a drop of Chief's blood hits the floor after Saul has worked him over.


I agree with you Tommy & Mary. When I saw the drop of Boomer's blood hit the ground, I immediately flashed back to the beginning, when the Chief's blood hit the ground after being hit by Tigh. Both bleed, or in this case, a single drop of blood hits the ground for both, and it illustrates the commonality between the two.

I also found the interaction between the Chief and Boomer fascinating. When they initially put the Chief into the cell, Boomer acts so caring towards him, and his response is filled with anger. He threatens to kill her, and calls her a machine.

Once she saves his life, and they are taking her away to the cell, he has the exchange with Gaius about what they are going to do to her. He is so upset about the fact that they are going to treat her like a "lab rat," and subject her to physical and emotional testing. Then the look of horror on his face when she is dying in his arms. Even with his anger towards her in the beginning, and lashing out and calling her a machine, he still has feelings for her. He still loves her, and can't accept the fact that she is going to be treated as anything less than a person, and subected to testing.
watson1
Feb. 23rd, 2007 12:59 am (UTC)
Ok, here’s my big question this ep. Why does Baltar use Chief to interrogate Boomer? </i>

I agree with Tommy. Baltar is aware of the fact that Boomer has feelings for the Chief, and Baltar believes that he can get her to give him the information he needs.

I think that Baltar sees two threats here -- Callie's threat that she'll tell everyone about that Baltar killed Crashdown, and the threat of Tigh. Baltar and Tigh had already had one show down. When Baltar tried to stand up for himself by saying he was the Vice President, Tigh slapped him down and told him to get down to the brig and find out whether the Chief was a Cylon or not. If it's me, and I've got to pick one to be afraid of -- I'd pick Tigh. He represents the greater threat (after all, he's declared martial law). Callie is just a little peon, whom he has already thrown up against the wall. Because he's afraid of Tigh, he uses the risky manuever of almost killing the Chief, in order to get the information Tigh wants. And using Sharon to do that seems like the easiest way.
marymary
Feb. 24th, 2007 05:29 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that must be it. And here's my favorite part --- I don't think that information is ever referenced again. I could be wrong, but I don't think the big "there are 8 Cylons in the fleet" thing ever amounts to anything.
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watson1
Feb. 23rd, 2007 01:05 am (UTC)
Did anyone catch Starbucks raised eyebrows when Anders grabbed her and held her while playing pyramid? I laughed when I saw that, because it was so Starbuck.

Oh, and Varek. He’s hard to hate, you know? He’s got kind of a worldly sense of humor. Or he's a huge jerk, I can never decide.

I know -- I can't hate him either, even though I disagree with most of what he does. For me, what makes his character likeable even when I dislike him -- is that even when he and Roslin are disagreeing/arguing, etc., the characters and actors work very well together. There's quite a bit of chemistry (not shipping chemistry), but in the sense that you have two people who believe different things, but are equally matched.
amycurl
Jun. 24th, 2007 07:06 pm (UTC)
Starbucks raised eyebrows when Anders grabbed her

Personally, I thought the imagery of the long, lingering shot of the ball going through the hole to be very, um, forshadow-y. IfyouknowwhatI'msayin'. ;-)
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tomfoolery815
Feb. 23rd, 2007 05:11 am (UTC)
When they initially put the Chief into the cell, Boomer acts so caring towards him, and his response is filled with anger.
The tragedy, I think, is here: Only the viewer understands Boomer's situation; she doesn't, nor does anyone else on Galactica. She keeps responding to everyone as if nothing had happened, feeling that someone else did it; she gets only hatred and abuse in response. GP is especially marvelous in making us feel Boomer's repetitive heartbreak, right up to the end.

It is nice that Chief comes back around to his original feelings for her. It's helpful in understanding a certain mid-Season 3 scene. ;-)
tomfoolery815
Feb. 23rd, 2007 05:24 am (UTC)
She gives him info on the state of the fleet and says she wishes he were in command. Aw.
Then totally checks out his ass as he walks away. :-)

Oh, and Varek. He’s hard to hate, you know? He’s got kind of a worldly sense of humor.
At this stage, Zarek seems predisposed to side with The People against The Power, which means he'll embrace some ugly things in the name of fighting the power. His defense of the underdogs is less endearing when The Power is doing its best to act righteously. It also leaves him able to switch sides. He was against Roslin when she was The Power, but when she ended up on the side of The People, the enemy of his enemy is his friend, too.

Plus, he's got the Han Solo-esque, scoundrel's charm down: Just chuckles when Lee says he's got plenty of shady friends. Then, when LR brings out the "enemy of my enemy" bit, he says "Call me Tom."

Plus, Richard Hatch does have the Ted Danson Effect working for him. :-)
tomfoolery815
Feb. 23rd, 2007 05:27 am (UTC)
Did anyone catch Starbucks raised eyebrows when Anders grabbed her and held her while playing pyramid? I laughed when I saw that, because it was so Starbuck.
I did, Watsy. Thoroughly Starbuck, in all her smart-ass charm. :-)
marymary
Feb. 24th, 2007 05:38 pm (UTC)
Tom, I agree with you on the Han Solo comparison. Varek and Lee are always a nice counterpoint for me too --- Lee being so tightly wound and fielding pressures from all sides (mostly himself). Varek seems to have such personal freedom. He does seem to have a moral POV, but the benefit of age --- on some level he sees everything as a game and can enjoy it from that perspective. (I also refer you to Roslin and Varek on New Caprica.) The opposite of Lee, for whom everything is very serious.
tomfoolery815
Feb. 24th, 2007 06:21 pm (UTC)
OK, seeing Zarek and "personal freedom" in the same sentence made me think of something I meant to ask about "Colonial Day."

When Ellen's maneuvering to advance Team Tigh, she sits down next to TZ in a bar. Zarek is looking for Valance, and Ellen is talking about "My place and my husband's place is in the future." At the end of the ep, Ellen has finagled a day on the Rising Star for her and Saul. Did you guys think she slept with Zarek to obtain the Rising Star getaway?
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