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My favorite Faux Space Family begins its trek across wherever. Let's talk about:

- 33
- Water
- Bastille Day

Jacob never recapped this season, so there's a dearth of pith and wisdom out there and I feel like we can fix that. (Plus, "dearth of pith"? That was fun to say.)

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tomfoolery815
Nov. 18th, 2006 08:49 pm (UTC)
It's cool, and funny, to see the early development of the role Chip Six plays in Baltar's head.

-- "Have you always been so good at multi-tasking?" Hee.

-- When things go well for Baltar at this stage, he immediately snaps back to Chip Six and their place on Caprica.

But this is my favorite Baltar moment in "33:"
BILLY: Thank the gods you're with us.
BALTAR: God's got nothing to do with this.

I know Baltar's an atheist at this point. But he's got Chip Six talking to him about God. So he really needs to advocate science over faith at this point; if God does exist, there's a red-hot poker with the words "For use on Gaius Baltar" on it. :-)
marymary
Nov. 18th, 2006 08:58 pm (UTC)
What I've always found interesting is that Gaius uses the word "God", not "gods". And, if memory serves, no one ever calls him on this. Now, maybe the word "God" is used, in general, to refer to the divine. But I don't think any other human uses "God".
tomfoolery815
Nov. 18th, 2006 09:04 pm (UTC)
But I don't think any other human uses "God".
Not that I've seen, either. All the humans that aren't atheists are polytheists, right?

It suggests that, as an atheist and a man of science, he's only recently begun considering the possibility of a deity, and that Chip Six is the greatest influence on this consideration. If he'd been a religious human before, he'd use the plural, right?
marymary
Nov. 18th, 2006 09:35 pm (UTC)
Right, he would use the plural. I don't think that Six has helped Baltar consider the possibilitiy of God; I think that he's a committed atheist and, when the subject of deity comes up, he uses the singular for some reason. Yes, maybe because he keeps hearing her talk about God. I think that, later in the series, he considers the possibility that she's right about everything.
ok_with_that
Nov. 22nd, 2006 11:39 pm (UTC)
Right, he would use the plural. I don't think that Six has helped Baltar consider the possibilitiy of God; I think that he's a committed atheist and, when the subject of deity comes up, he uses the singular for some reason. Yes, maybe because he keeps hearing her talk about God.

OK, yeah, I'm sposed to be someplace else right now ;), but I wanted to re-read what you guys have said, so I can think for a while...

And here?

I wonder if it isn't that having listened to Six repeatedly demand a controlling place for her "One God" in the Fate of the Universe, he has come in some way to *blame* her God for all of the mess they're in.

Even as he doesn't believe in a God or gods himself, he can't seem to blame Six (either personally, or as Representative Cylon) *directly.* And given who he is (most of the time, anyway), he can't bring himself to blame himself, or step up and take real responsibility...

I'm not being very articulate here, I know. Core thought: Maybe he's displacing his own guilt and fear and discomfort with the situation off on to Six's God?

His reply *is* that God doesn't have anything to do with the solution he offers that might *save* them in that moment, right?

just.a.thought.back.in.a.bit
ok_with_that
Nov. 23rd, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)
Alternative:

Maybe he's just so in-his-head (with Six) he doesn't hear Billy say gods at all? That is, he's not paying close enough attention to his physical world to catch his slip?
marymary
Nov. 23rd, 2006 01:18 am (UTC)
Yeah, but he does it consistently (going forward).

IMO, having him believe in God or gods at this point is not really supported by what we've seen. I still think he's an atheist who talks about the deity in the singular because Six talks about it that way and it just comes out.
ok_with_that
Nov. 23rd, 2006 01:27 am (UTC)
I agree. I guess I'm just trolling for motivation, were there to be any. I don't think he *believes*; it *does* seem to just come out.

But if there *were* something behind it, I'd say he's looking for a scapegoat. A God he doesn't believe in might fit the bill in a pinch.*

*I could be wrong again. :P Especially if it continues to come up in later episodes.

going back to watching now

amycurl
Jun. 4th, 2007 01:09 pm (UTC)
This would be a big red flag to me if I were a human on the ship; I find it also interesting that no one has questioned him on this, or upped the suspicion level because of this.

Because when Adama has his little journey through the tubes on Rangar Station with the Cylon there, it appears to me that he was a Cylon the minute he started with the Singular God Talk. You would think Adama's red flag would go up with this as well.

I have a problem, in general, suspending my disbelief at the amount of leeway everyone gives Baltar in the early Season 1 eps. For all of the episodes I've seen, he's acting erratic and strange and, at times, downright incoherent. And no one's really mentioned it. Really, you'd trust this guy in a time of crisis? REALLY?

Even in the episode where he is suspected of collusion, it's still too little, too late for me. You'd think they'd all still be watching him closely. I mean, the man acts half-insane most of the time. :-P
marymary
Jun. 4th, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
Right, a. The singular god is totally a flag. I think you're probably one of the few people who caught that the first time around! I'll take the TPTB position for a minute. I would say that Adama hearing Leoben (the blonde cylon) say "God" might give him pause, but certainly wouldn't make him leap to "he's a Cylon". Before that point, the humans had no idea that Cylons could take human form. In fact, I even had trouble with Adama's deduction that he was a Cylon --- I thought that was some pretty fancy thinkin' there. But I totally understand why you, as a viewer, were tipped off by the "God".

Re: Baltar, I totally agree that his behavior is beyond wacky. To the viewer it's hilarious! Baltar is the very funniest thing on BSG. My favorite is when he answers ChipSix and the person he's talking to with the same answer. So great!

To your question, I think TPTB would say that the humans are giving him a huge pass because he's a worlds-famous genius scientist. I mean, Helo recognized him on sight --- he's like Stephen Hawking with great suits and an agent. So I think they all give him a ginormous benefit of the doubt. Plus scientist, quirky --- they might figure it goes with the package. Thirdly, I think it's precisely because it's a time of crisis that they rely on him. I think, in a normal setting, there would be a lot more suspicion of him. They really have few other options and he does, in fact, help them, hugely and materially, throughout the series.

So I guess I'm ok with the level of suspicion and deduction of the characters. What WE figure out, and when, is way different.