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- Scattered
- Valley of Darkness
- Fragged

Wherein the president has been deposed, Boomer shoots the commander and then wants to kill herself. (Again.) Tigh loses all of humanity and then gets them back, but Cylons are about to kill them all anyway. Baltar discovers a new human species and Laura waits for the key to Earth whilst going literally bonkers.

Then Helo and Kara collapse, all bloody and grimy, in her old apartment on Caprica. And I realize I am seriously depraved on the Helo thing. Cause fuck the story, all I can think about is whether or not Kara’s place still has running water. Do you know what I mean? I think you do.

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marymary
Jan. 18th, 2007 05:22 am (UTC)
I love, love, love the story of this episode. That they jump (first act on Tigh’s watch) and they LOSE THE FLEET. This had honestly not occurred to me before this episode, and it’s so shocking a catastrophe. Heh, Tigh's having a bad day. The camera pulls back on Galactica, alone in space. So perfect.
marymary
Jan. 18th, 2007 05:24 am (UTC)
Scattered
(Sorry, forgot the subject line in my first post.)

Grace Park is brilliant after Bill’s shooting. “What’s going on?” And then she sort of whimpers and cries out as they take her away. And the way she does it, without any words, totally communicates “Oh, god, am I seeing this right? Did I do that? This can’t be happening!” and not “No, don’t lock me up and torture me you evil humans.”

Lee begs to go to sick bay with his father and Tigh sends him to the brig. That’s COLD.

Lee is locked up next door to Laura, blood all over his hands. Given my demonstrated insistence that she is his surrogate mother, you know that I love her line: “Captain, what have they done to you?” That’s her fear, her first assumption.

Then, as he tells her that Bill’s been shot, she turns away and asks, “Is Doctor Cottle with him?” Lee (plaintively) “He’s not on board.” She looks away, not believing. The tears in her eyes. I wanna know where she goes when she does these scenes. Because it’s one thing to cry, to let it all out, but another thing to be moved to the point that tears are spilling out and yet hold it together. Mary M and Grace Park need to give a master class in this.
amycurl
Jun. 21st, 2007 08:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Scattered

Hi. :-)

I also loved Grace's non-expression when she "wakes up" after the shooting. To go from blank, her Cylon Nature, to Boomer...honestly, that's probably the most difficult task of any actor on the show.

Yeah, Tigh loses humanity, while losing all of his humanity, apparently.

But I suspect his wife's a Cylon, so whatchagoindo? (And I'm not spoiled, and I've got Disc 2 in the mailbox waiting for me as I type...)
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kirjava
Jan. 18th, 2007 05:59 am (UTC)
I can't remember what happened 2 eps ago, let alone last season. Also, I have no appropriate icons. This show gives me whiplash. But I say that all with love.

marymary
Jan. 18th, 2007 03:42 pm (UTC)
Hey, kirjava! Nice to see you here! It is a lot to absorb --- when I started talking about BSG from the beginning again, I had a lot of trouble remembering everything. But it does all come back to you as you talk about it. I really hope you join us as much as you can!

Love the action figures. They're appropriate for so many conversations!
tomfoolery815
Jan. 19th, 2007 04:56 pm (UTC)
Grace Park is brilliant after Bill’s shooting.
She is amazing. You see that she has no recollection, but that it slowly dawns on her what happened, and that worse still, SHE did it.

“Thank the gods,” she says when Saul tells her Bill is alive, which gets her a backhand right where she’d shot herself. Boomer tells Saul, as he’s knocking her around, to “get it over with.” He's nearly willing to oblige, as wracked with angst as he is about what she's done: He's venting not only his rage over her nearly killing his best friend, but over her act putting him in a position he is woefully underequipped to handle.

When she's left sobbing on the floor of her cell ... it’s just incredibly sad for her these days, and GP does a fantastic job making you feel it without chewing the scenery.
amycurl
Jun. 21st, 2007 08:53 pm (UTC)
I thought it was a shame that they deleted the scene that they had shot right as he's thinking about killing her, of him beating the shit out of the guy in the bar back in the day, and Adama having to talk him down.

Because you realize that his murderous anger is who he is, really--esp. when he's drinking. That basically it's not that he finds some kind of humanity or something inside himself, but, once again, it's Adama inside his head that talks him down.

Maybe that's why they cut it--it just makes him seem like even more of a bastard, and makes you question Adama's judgment in choosing him as a friend.
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tomfoolery815
Jan. 19th, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC)
Mary M and Grace Park need to give a master class in this.
Word. It's one thing to observe and say "She's sad," quite another to be so brilliant at it that the viewer actually feels their pain.

Saul is somehow blaming Laura for Bill getting shot, too: LR tells Tigh that she'd like to chat once they've found the fleet. Tigh says: "There's nothing to talk about. You went up against the Old Man, and you lost." Maybe he'd have responded that way regardless, but Saul's in full-on "Don't mess with us tonight" mode.
zommbie1
Jan. 29th, 2007 09:09 pm (UTC)
One thing that I have loved through out the series (and remember I have watched all of season one in a week) is the way Mary M acts with her face. She manages to convey so many complex emotions simply through her facial expressions. It is fantastic to see.
tomfoolery815
Jan. 19th, 2007 05:09 pm (UTC)
Lee begs to go to sick bay with his father and Tigh sends him to the brig. That’s COLD.
Yes. But at least he put him in the cell next to Mom. :-)

Laura apologizes for getting Lee involved in her showdown with his father, but he brushes it off, saying "I didn't do it for you. I did it for -- well, actually, I did it for nothing, turns out." Which is sad, if you think about it. He took an incredibly admirable, risky stand on principle -- I loved his reasoning, too. LR points this out, and he replies “And now look at us.”

Which reminds me of Zarek’s ease in swaying him in “Bastille Day.” Lee regrets standing on principle against his father when it backfires. The hold that Bill has on Lee takes the form, in his head, of “You KNOW I’m right” when he goes up against the Old Man, then “I told you so” when it costs him something.

This time, Dad grounded him. Grounded Mom, too.

But Lee's also finding a way to blame himself for Bill getting shot. Just like Laura, he had nothing whatsoever to do with that chain of events; but the people closest to Bill are finding ways to blame themselves for the two bullets in his chest.
tomfoolery815
Jan. 24th, 2007 08:59 pm (UTC)
Heh, Tigh's having a bad day.
He sure is. :-)

Because of the company I keep here, I am predisposed to draw BSG/TWW comparisons. :-) So here comes another one: This second season premiere is comparable to "In the Shadow of Two Gunmen," TWW's Season 2, Episodes 1 and 2, with all of its "How did we get here?" flashbacks in the wake of the leader getting shot.

But here, it's only Saul flashing back, and as a result there's a touch of "Bartlet for America" in his recollections. He's thinking about when he and his best friend started down the path they find themselves on now ... and he's wishing it hadn't happened.

We see that Saul was moments from a suicide attempt when the Shore Patrol guys show up to play Bill's prank announcement of Saul's reinstatement in the Colonial Fleet. The moments aren't identical twins, but they're relatives: Saul here and Leo in BFA, falling hard off the wagon, were each in a dark, dark place right when their respective best friends were on the verge of victory.

So as in BFA, Saul has a touch of "YOU got me into this mess" when he says to an unconscious Bill: "Don't you dare on me now." You feel for him, because he knows, as we do, that he is in way over his head.
marymary
Jan. 24th, 2007 09:44 pm (UTC)
I agree about the similarities; wow, that's a perfect comparison!

It was interesting the second (third?) time I watched the episode. I noticed something that Tigh said in that scene that made me look at the hotel room scene differently. Saul says something like, "If you had left me alone, I would have died on Caprica with the rest of them." He doesn't say just that he would have died, or he would have died in his hotel room. He says he would have died in the nuclear attack. When I first watched this episode, I absolutely thought that Tigh was going to commit suicide in that room, but now I think he was just preparing to burn some of his military stuff.
tomfoolery815
Jan. 25th, 2007 03:51 am (UTC)
(I missed the pivotal word "die" in "Don't you dare die on me now." Dammit. :-) )

Saul says something like, "If you had left me alone, I would have died on Caprica with the rest of them."
Now that I see it here in front of me :-), I do remember him saying that. Which would, of course, suggest that he was not about to commit suicide ... although it certainly looked like that; that's what I wrote in my notes as I watched.

But since he knows he's pouring out his heart to an unconscious Bill and no one else can apparently hear him, he's got no reason to deny what was actually going on. So yeah, probably burning some of his military stuff in the flashback. Which is a pretty sad little ritual itself. So he was certainly at an ebb when Bill sent the Shore Patrol.
tomfoolery815
Jan. 25th, 2007 04:01 am (UTC)
I like the uniquely Starbuckian (Yeah, what of it? :-) way Kara reacts to Helo's insistence that Sharon not be immediately shot. Helo supports Sharon's version of events on ... something ... and Kara says "So, Sharon the Cylon is right." Heh. Then, a little later ...

Helo: I don't know what to tell you, but I believe her. (Gotta love Helo's capacity for trust.)
Sharon: I know you ... I remember you on your first day, puking your guts out.

And it's this that causes Kara to point her gun at Sharon. Since she really didn't enjoy it the last time a Cylon told her something about her past.
amycurl
Jun. 21st, 2007 09:01 pm (UTC)
Ok, here's what I'm confused about. Ya'll have said that there's not been any support for the idea of some kind collective consciousness. But then how does Helo's Sharon know about the first time that Boomer met Kara? How is that information transferred? When the two have never met? How would the greater Cylon Powers That Be (orders do come from somewhere..there have to be planners....) know the backstory of Boomer and Starbuck? Is Boomer "uploading" information somehow?

If either you or Mary could shed light on this issue, that would be great. Because, otherwise, they've got to have some kind of collective something, I think.
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marymary
Jan. 27th, 2007 09:49 pm (UTC)
But since he knows he's pouring out his heart to an unconscious Bill and no one else can apparently hear him, he's got no reason to deny what was actually going on.

Exactly right.

Tom, I have more, I just refuse to move on until someone else catches up. Two people is not a community, you know? :-)
zommbie1
Jan. 29th, 2007 09:57 pm (UTC)
*deep breath*

Okay so this has been bugging me. Why is it that only Saul seems to have noticed that Baltar is one screwd up puppy? Okay so we as viewers have seen Six and have seen what Baltar sees and how he acts but surely some of the others have noticed how he "looses his train of thought" etc? I just think it is odd that they continue to keep him around when he is clearly a liablity.


*Oh and Tom I stole Apollo 'cause he is really purrrty and I needed a purty boy:-)
marymary
Jan. 29th, 2007 10:21 pm (UTC)
One thing that I have loved through out the series (and remember I have watched all of season one in a week) is the way Mary M acts with her face.

You're so right. She can also make her eyes glisten with tears on command, which is one of her best tools. One of my favorite scenes of hers is at the end of "Sacrifice". But we'll save that.... :)

zommbie, that's a good question about Saul. I feel like he's just more of a black-and-white kinda guy. He sees things in really simple terms. "Baltar Bad". And creepy, and twitchy, and not to be trusted -- the whole list. I think other characters have definitely noticed Baltar's weird --- I know Roslin and Bill have both said things about his behavior --- but they find him useful, so they keep a lid on it. He built a working Cylon detector, he...does other things in Season 2 that are REALLY good for people we like. :) (shutting up now) Point is, he is incredibly, critically useful at times, so they keep him around.
zommbie1
Jan. 29th, 2007 10:35 pm (UTC)
I had noticed that some of them had noticed his, shall we call it odd behaviour, but it was the fact that Saul seems to be the only one who would prefer him not to be around that bugged me. I do realise that he has his uses and that he is probably important. I think maybe I am letting my own dislike for the character shine through. Which I suppose is a testament to the actor, he really creeps me out.
marymary
Jan. 29th, 2007 11:45 pm (UTC)
Which I suppose is a testament to the actor, he really creeps me out.

Yeah, isn't it hard to imagine anyone else playing that role? I love how he goes from superior to whimpering to crazy all in one episode.
marymary
Jan. 30th, 2007 12:00 am (UTC)
I like the uniquely Starbuckian (Yeah, what of it? :-) way Kara reacts to Helo's insistence that Sharon not be immediately shot. Helo supports Sharon's version of events on ... something ... and Kara says "So, Sharon the Cylon is right." Heh. Then, a little later ...

Helo: I don't know what to tell you, but I believe her. (Gotta love Helo's capacity for trust.)


I agree!
Kara: “I get it, Helo. You and I go way back so I get it. I remember the way you felt about her but that is NOT the real Sharon!” 1) I love this because it refers to a longstanding thing that Helo’s had for Sharon. It makes sense that he didn’t just notice her all of a sudden after they were marooned --- Helo is a True Love kinda guy. He’s obviously been sitting on these feelings for years and just now feels he can let them out. 2) This makes the betrayal (Sharon is a Cylon) all the more heartbreaking for him. 3) RDM, in the podcast for Scar (excellent podcast --- the best I’ve heard) says that the writers just dropped this line into Scattered, but since it was there --- since we had established that Helo and Kara had a history --- they used that in Scar to create scenes with Helo that bracket the episode. (Moreover, in Scar, there’s a deleted scenelet with Helo when Kara gets drunk.) Not spoiling, but when you watch Scar ---- all the shit surrounding Kara --- Helo is her safe place. It’s subtle, but it’s there, and it came out of this line in Scattered, half a season previous.

And then, the bestest line ever, as Sharon takes off. “Bitch took my ride.”
marymary
Jan. 30th, 2007 12:04 am (UTC)
Ellen Tigh is such a great character. She manages to make Saul look wise and measured. She jumps on the fact that losing the fleet was Gaeta’s fault. “It’s not like you to let people slide. You’re in charge of the fleet now…” It’s like you think Saul’s on the wrong side of everything…and yet…there’s a wronger side. And Ellen’s found it!

I like Dee and Gaeta. They’re in the bathroom. He doesn’t say anything, but she says, “Not your fault, lieutenant. Not from where I was standing.” Nice. And then he figures out the solution! I like Gaeta. He’s generally the smartest one in the room, but doesn’t have a lot of issues to deal with. Smart, low maintenance. Nice.

Gaeta, working on the network and firewalls, says, “I wish Dr. Baltar was here.” Tigh: “The hell with that. I’d take your work over that shifty SOB any day.” That’s nice, both cause it’s unnecessary and kind, and because he didn’t listen to Ellen this time.

Gaeta totally expected Tigh to be all over his ass forever, but, as you say zommbie, Tigh hates Baltar. And much more than he hates anyone else other than a Cylon.
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