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We’ll discuss Scar and Sacrifice, two of the best episodes ever.

Mostly, they’re about emotional pain and its consequences. But I’m just shallow enough that, for me, Scar will forever be the episode where Lee and Kara first...well, whatever the hell that was. But it was pretty awesome for a minute there, right? Am I right?

*sigh*

In space, no one can hear you squee.

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marymary
Aug. 13th, 2007 09:32 pm (UTC)
RECAP: The whole episode is a flashback starting from a dogfight between Kara and Kat and a Cylon raider named “Scar”.

New nuggets arrive to replace the dead ones. The pilots give them a hard time and scare them about this really bad raider they call Scar, on account of a scar on its “forehead”. The nuggets are hazed because the pilots know they’re probably going to die, so you can do the math on that.

Scar is one of the raiders deployed to harass the vipers protecting a mining operation on an asteroid. The humans need the metals being mined to make new vipers. The Cylons have fallen back, due to their new Permanent Death problem, so the viper pilots have only a squad of raiders to contend with. Sharon exposits to Kara that raiders reincarnate just like humanoid Cylons, so some of them can get very experienced and develop specific tactics, like Scar has.

The pilots are sitting around drinking and playing cards. Kat says she’s going to kill Scar and Kara snarks. Kat gets in Kara’s face and Kara gets even more drunk and falls down, flashing back to Sam. Kara later tells Helo she can’t get Sam out of her head.

Kara and Lee get drunk and lament the fact that they can’t remember the faces and names of the dead pilots. Kara figures since the two of them are gonna die too, they should have some fun. (It took them only two and a half seasons to get her to where I was the first time I saw the two of them standing next to each other. But...ok. :-D) Kara kisses Lee’s funniest, cutest face ever and they repair to their bunk. Or, rather, the table between the bunks. Kara gets weird and crazy, which is messing up Lee’s whole game and they stop. Kara insults him, he tries to be supportive but with a side of WTF. Kara storms off and gets even drunker, watching flight recordings of Scar.

Both new nuggets have ended up dead, Kat and Kara fight some more, and the two of them are sent on patrol together. Scar surpises them, Kara nearly gets killed, but then sets Kat up to kill Scar. This earns Kat the “Top Gun” beer stein, which she forces Kara to fill during the post-mission celebration. Kara gives a toast to the dead pilots, listing all their names until she can’t remember any more. Lee finishes her toast and even Tigh’s got something in his eye. Kara and Helo spar in the gym and she vents some more about Sam as Helo is characteristically gorgeous, sweet and cool.
amycurl
Aug. 13th, 2007 09:41 pm (UTC)
it was pretty awesome for a minute there, right? Am I right?
It was deliciously awesome. :-) But seven years of the West Wing told me that it wasn't going to be consummated. [/Lowered Expectations]
marymary
Aug. 13th, 2007 09:46 pm (UTC)
You're right not to be sucked in, my girl. I am, however, a sucker. I don't mind --- sometimes it pays off. :-)

I'd been watching BSG for a couple years at that point. So when Kara said that thing about taking what they can get, today... You know, you stop chewing. Then you stop breathing.

Ok, then she gives him a look, off-camera, that tips him off, before she moves in to kiss him. The look on Lee's face in that moment is priceless! He knows what he’s seeing, intuitively, which is that Kara has sex on her mind and she’s going to kiss him. His spidey-sense --- the one he gets from many years of attractive women wanting to sleep with him --- is telling him this is happening. But the rest of his brain is saying, “No...that’s not possible.” So he’s absolutely frozen there for a second, with the tiniest smile approaching his face. So great and so real. That’s totally fucking what your face looks like in that moment! That, and the next few frames with the all the clothes coming off...my happy moments of the episode.
amycurl
Aug. 13th, 2007 09:56 pm (UTC)
His spidey-sense --- the one he gets from many years of attractive women wanting to sleep with him --- is telling him this is happening. But the rest of his brain is saying, “No...that’s not possible.” So he’s absolutely frozen there for a second, with the tiniest smile approaching his face. So great and so real. That’s totally fucking what your face looks like in that moment! That, and the next few frames with the all the clothes coming off...my happy moments of the episode.


Oh, I know! It was brilliantly played by them both. I can see rewinding and watching that scene over and over again and having it not be a hardship--at. all.

Here's my little mini-rant about Sam and Kara. Okay, so she supposedly fell in love with him after spending *one night* with him on Caprica? A woman who is not known for wearing her heart on her sleeve? Maybe other people bought this more than I did, but it just seemed like so much of a contrivance just to keep Lee and Kara apart, to give us a reason why, no, she just can't go through with it, self-sabotages it. Argh! Yeah, um, no. I mean, I take it at face value, that's the story they want to tell. But I just had a really, really hard time wrapping my head around it. Maybe it was just me. *exhales* Ok, I think I'm done now. :-)
marymary
Aug. 13th, 2007 10:10 pm (UTC)
Oh my god, a, I was just wanking on the very same thing last night! Great minds...except it took me four times through for it to hit me in the head and you, not so much. So I raise my Tab in your general direction.

First, I think the writers have enough reason without Sam for her to sabotage her thing with Lee. In Colonial Day she had him from hello, yet ended up with Baltar. One of them can always bring up Zac or their reporting relationship (see, Chief and Boomer). There's lots to throw between them. But, to my eyes, Sam doesn't seem to be being used as a device. Sam seems to be what Kara is truly wanting. Which is odd, if you look at the whole series.

In Scar, the writers seem to want us to conclude that Lee and Kara are friends who have had some sort of UST or stifled romantic feelings. But that all the evidence points to Sam being the love of her life. She pushes Lee away and she can’t stop thinking about Sam. This isn't some sitcom misunderstanding, she's actively pining for Sam. So we're supposed to believe he's her True Love, or so she believes.

However, as we look across the entire series...not spoiling, it’s just that we’re in a pretty different place at the end of Season 3. And if we had to choose one person as the love of her life it might not be Sam.

So why the big deal over Sam here in this season? Could be that the writers didn’t know where they wanted it to go. I think that’s most likely :-), but lets say they’re all-powerful and perfect and it’s all been pre-ordained. Here's a wank: Kara thinks maybe Sam is her path out of her fate as a fuck-up. We know that she was abused, that she’s self-punishing (fighting, drinking, sex with Baltar, pushing Lee away). The explanation (courtesy of Leoben) is that she thinks she’s fundamentally flawed and that she deserves to be in pain, so she keeps fulfilling that prophecy. I can see where, with the Adamas, she doesn’t see a way out of that. They love her, but she’s failed them a couple times. She’s already proven to them that she’s messed up, so that’s how she sees herself in their eyes. She thinks she knows how they define her, even though it’s really her that’s doing it. Because of her sins.

But she met Sam on Caprica. Total fresh start. She’s a hero to him. He doesn’t know anything else about her and she’s promised to rescue him. So she’s obsessed with the idea of going and saving him, and then she really will be a hero to him. So far, she hasn’t hurt him and he doesn’t know about anything in her past. Maybe it’s a glimmer of a way out for her, one that she saw when she was with him on Caprica, and she wants it back.
marymary
Aug. 13th, 2007 10:15 pm (UTC)
BTW, amy, you gotta love that the parts of Maverick and Iceman are being played here by two women. With, as usual, no comment on their sex.
amycurl
Aug. 13th, 2007 11:08 pm (UTC)
Great minds...except it took me four times through for it to hit me in the head and you, not so much. So I raise my Tab in your general direction.

Aww, thanks, m. *blushes*

I think the writers have enough reason without Sam for her to sabotage her thing with Lee....So we're supposed to believe he's her True Love, or so she believes.

Yes, I agree. And I would *believe* those other reasons much more than I believe her being hung up on Sam. It's that whole "Sam is her true love" that I just found so hard to stomach. So, I'm kinda glad that that's not where they're at at the end of Season 3 (none of which I've watched yet, btw.)

o far, she hasn’t hurt him and he doesn’t know about anything in her past. Maybe it’s a glimmer of a way out for her, one that she saw when she was with him on Caprica, and she wants it back.
Maybe. But, then...if she really is damaged as all that, then what makes her think she deserves this fresh start with Sam? Maybe only if she does the *impossible* and rescues him? Hmmm....that's a good wank, I'll have to sit on it a little bit. :-)

you gotta love that the parts of Maverick and Iceman are being played here by two women. With, as usual, no comment on their sex.
Hee, I know! But without the Hoyay! of the original....at least, I don't think it was there. ;-)
marymary
Aug. 13th, 2007 11:08 pm (UTC)
amy, this is what Jacob says about the Sam question:

As she continues lifting, Kara remembers putting her dog-tag in Anders's hand, and yes, a lot of this requires you to believe that she developed these intense feelings about him, I guess, but there are factors: he's the Caprican Michael Jordan. Wartime stress speeds things up. He's the male version of Kara. And those are just "I guess I can see that" things about the relationship. But also, maybe the reason we haven't heard about it since she left (and I watched that scene not too long ago, and she sells the shit out of it) is because there's other stuff going on -- stuff like: he represents not only home, Caprica, but also everything that was lost, à la Reilly's dead girlfriend on Picon, and everything normal that Kara might have won from life if the world hadn't ended, and that she could pretend with him that things were normal, and that's why it was hard to leave, and most importantly, like her twin, I think the best, greatest thing about Anders is that he's not around anymore. Why deal with your actual current feelings when you can take the over/under on him being dead? Which takes the whole conflict that started this story -- "Stay and fight" or "Run and rebuild" -- and makes it specifically a Starbuck (and also very Apollo) issue: "Sit in the middle of your survivor guilt and fear and depression and refuse to grow or change, even as you're flying away" or "Return as the conquering hero and grab hold of a decent life, dying in the process."
zommbie1
Aug. 14th, 2007 12:06 am (UTC)
So why the big deal over Sam here in this season? Could be that the writers didn’t know where they wanted it to go. I think that’s most likely :-)

Part of me thinks this might be true. We know that the writers of this series sometimes take things and run with it (Helo and Cally spring to mind here).

Part of me also thinks that Sam represents something she can save. She couldn't save Zak. She thinks she can save Sam. I don't think she ever loves Sam, I think she loves the idea of Sam. As someone who was once seduced by the idea of someone being in love with them I can see a lot of that going on with Kara. Yes she doesn't believe that anyone can love her but she still loves the idea of someone loving her, therefore she has gotten into her head that she loves Sam.

She can't see what all of us saw from the start, the incredible chemistry between herself and Lee. I think part of the reason she can't see it is because it scares the living daylights out of her. I think that is what the freak out is all about. She is so scared of ACTUALLY feeling something that when she starts to feel she pushes away.
marymary
Aug. 14th, 2007 12:39 am (UTC)
I think part of the reason she can't see it is because it scares the living daylights out of her. I think that is what the freak out is all about. She is so scared of ACTUALLY feeling something that when she starts to feel she pushes away.

Hey, zomm. I think you're right --- this is consistent the self-punishing thing (she wants Lee so she sabotages it) and with the thing that Jacob is describing (being an abuse survivor, staying and working through the "real" is hard; running to something new is easier and familiar).

Yes she doesn't believe that anyone can love her but she still loves the idea of someone loving her, therefore she has gotten into her head that she loves Sam.

...and this is in sync with what I was exploring --- Sam doesn't know her, so maybe he can love her. Lee knows her, so (since she's unlovable) he can't really love her. She thinks she doesn't deserve that. She doesn't deserve to be loved for who she really is...but maybe Sam can love her for being someone new: his hero.
amycurl
Aug. 14th, 2007 12:42 am (UTC)
Thanks for sharing this,m.

Why deal with your actual current feelings when you can take the over/under on him being dead?
I think this is an excellent point, and is kind of how I read the situation. Sam is, in a lot of ways, safe for her in ways that Lee is not.

As I said, you both make good points...I just need to dwell on them some more.
marymary
Aug. 14th, 2007 12:46 am (UTC)
While we're on the subject of Lee/Kara/Sam...

The irony is that, if we're right about Kara, she already has what she thinks she doesn't deserve, which is Lee's love (whatever flavor of that you think he feels).

I like the little touch in that early scene in the pilots' lounge, where the camera goes to Lee after Kara throws herself across the room. He winces. Good call. For all the pain between them in this episode, the more I watch it (and that would be four times now :-D) the more I see the pattern of Lee stepping up and being there for Kara. He doesn’t do much in that first scene other than feel bad for her instead of laughing, like everybody else. But in my notes, I number that “1”.

Then “2” is after their brief attempt at sex. Kara comes on to him, he goes for it, she’s all weird, she pushes him away and then yells that there’s nothing between them and she just wanted “a good lay”. Ouch. His next words are “I might be a quick lay but I’m also your friend.” Wow. Seriously, try getting a guy all worked up, then push him away and insult him and see what he says. It’s not that.

The very next morning, he comes upon Kat and Kara after their fight in the ready room. He dismissed Kat and then asks Kara “Are you alright?” (“3”) My point here is that, across the episode, he correctly surmises that shit is going down and what he does in situations like this is push himself aside and look to the people he cares about to try to make it right. He puts aside his considerable desire for Kara, what he wants out of that relationship, his sexual frustration and his pride because she’s obviously in pain. I’m saying...that’s a day to be proud of. “4” is at the very end. Kara is holding her bottle in the air, saying the names of the dead pilots and, just as she’s obviously feared, she can’t remember any more. Everyone’s moved, everyone’s with her, but Lee is the one who steps into the painful silence and finishes her toast: “To all of them.”
tomfoolery815
Aug. 14th, 2007 03:24 am (UTC)
He knows what he’s seeing, intuitively, which is that Kara has sex on her mind and she’s going to kiss him. His spidey-sense --- the one he gets from many years of attractive women wanting to sleep with him --- is telling him this is happening. But the rest of his brain is saying, “No...that’s not possible.” So he’s absolutely frozen there for a second, with the tiniest smile approaching his face. So great and so real.
Exactly, Mary. He says "Why don't we ... what?" His voice drops on "what?" because that's when his spidey-sense and his brain reconnect.

There's so much going on in a really short space of time the sex scene. May I gave you my interpretations? Thanks, I will. :-)

LEE: “Ow, hey slow down … this isn’t a race. Kara, what’s going on? What’s going on?”
Kara wants to have sex quickly, because she’s afraid if she stops to think, she’ll stop. And –- because she’s been thinking so much about Sam, and about her own death -- she wants to have sex with someone who loves her before she dies.

KARA: “There is nothing here. Nothing.”
That is SUCH a lie, a lie to paper over the exposed feelings.

LEE: “Well, that’s just great. Frak or fight, huh? OK, maybe I am just a quick lay. But Kara, I’m also your friend.”
At this moment, Lee is simply Hero Friend, because he was willing to ignore his own feelings, and what sex with Kara would obviously mean to him, to comfort her. To accept being a Friend with Benefits. Which I don't think actually exists for Lee. Sex with Lee means you're his capital-L lover, despite what he's saying.

KARA: “I am hung up on a dead guy, OK? And it is PISSING me off. And I don’t know what I’m doing.”
LEE: “Anders, right? On Caprica. The resistance fighter.”
Superman’s cape just came off. Lee’s a little hurt here at being confronted with Kara having deep feelings for another guy. Which is entirely distinct from his thoughts on his feelings for her.

KARA: “Yeah well, Samuel’s dead. So what does it matter?”
LEE: “Oh, Kara, please, for once in your life …”
KARA: “I don’t need your pity, Lee.”
LEE: “You haven’t got my pity!” (He’s pissed now, and he’s so close, that when he punches the P in “pity,” he blows back the strand of hair on the left side of Kara’s face.)

LEE: “Listen, you are fine. You are fine with the dead guys. It’s the living ones that you can’t deal with.”
Kara slaps his face hard, pulls him close and kisses him, then shoves him away and dashes out of there, taking the booze with her.

This last bit is Lee’s Kara experience, summed up for you in a nutshell. ;-)
marymary
Aug. 14th, 2007 03:48 am (UTC)
This last bit is Lee’s Kara experience, summed up for you in a nutshell. ;-)

Well I agree with you Tom. When I think of Lee and Kara, the image I get in my mind is Kara flying away, jumping away in a viper or a raider or the blackbird...just out of his reach and he's calling out to her to answer but she's gone and he has to report back that he's lost her. (Somehow that part always kills me.) How many times has that happened in the series? I can think of four just off the top of my head so there have to be more. And I think, as you point out, this is a similar vibe. She's going too fast, she's chasing something that's not him, he's asking her to stay and poof! she's gone. (Ok, I'm flashing on some old stupid song from Hee Haw. Free bottle of champagne to the person who actually knows what I'm talking about without googling.)
amycurl
Aug. 14th, 2007 03:50 am (UTC)
Kara slaps his face hard, pulls him close and kisses him, then shoves him away and dashes out of there, taking the booze with her.

This last bit is Lee’s Kara experience, summed up for you in a nutshell. ;-)


It is, isn't it? For both Lee's line and Kara's reaction, my note says, "A little too on the nose?" :-)

Which I don't think actually exists for Lee. Sex with Lee means you're his capital-L lover, despite what he's saying.

I think this is very true. I mean, even when he was paying for it there was disproportional emotional investment from him. (Not that his response to Kara disproportional...oh, you know what I'm saying...) So, yeah--he doesn't go there lightly. He's hurt by both the rejection, and the idea that she *thinks* something physical between them could be in consequence-free environment.
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